Great timing - I'm in the middle of an article that brings together six anomaly series in an attempt to model sea ice extent, the upshot being that we need to look for alternative sources of heat... and here they are!
I sometimes watch the Saturday summary on weatherbell, Joe Bastardi, US focused but this week he's pointing out Asia, India, Greenland having record cold June ,Arctic cold too. And the geothermal activity correlates with ocean temps
In addition to UHI, inapproproately placed weather stations etc, we also have the issue of time constants when it comes to Tmax. Modern digitial recording stations have far shorter time constants than the old min/max mercury thermometers, so will give higher Tmax readings..so we're probably not even comparing eggs with eggs.
Should have realised you'd be on the case 👍 just read the netweather write up about comfortably surpassing 1976 ( fortunately no tv so not seen the beeb drivel) and thought I'd check if they need fire extinguishers for their pants. I remember everyone baling hay the day after cutting as it was drying so fast in the heat - usually takes about 5 days- and my farrier has a photo of himself on a motorbike in the brook on his farm, which had dried up. None of that this year and the brooks on our farm are no lower than usual. A friend was grumbling about having to light a fire on 8th or 9th and I've been back in a jummy for last few days. Sure not exceptional. Sorry to go off on one.
Comfortably surpassing my arse! The error associated with temperature measurement is substantial because weather stations were established for observing local weather rather than partake in a national, carefully controlled experiment designed to accurately and reliably monitor climate change.
A lot depends on when the records started - ie in Aust there were many extreme droughts earlier in the 1800s so potentially the data starts on a low point so provides an increase in max temps - can be completely false - plus the siting changes to the weather station and urban heat effects etc etc
We might summarise it by stating the Stevenson screen situation sucks! People act as if this junk data was gold standard, laboratory quality observation.
Whenever I am told about MSM headlines like this (usually by believers/numpties), I think of this and many similar examples https://tinyurl.com/yxx2jfvf .
I know you've looked at lots of data sources & their questionable reliability but, years ago, I often had the opportunity to observe fast jets at close quarters. That person from the Met Office who claimed the Coningsby data to have been rigorously checked has obviously never stood next to an active runway whilst 3 jet fighters taxied by, let alone land or take off in close formation.
They should have called it a Typhoon, not a record temperature.
My motto during working life used to be; "Show me the data (all of it) & show me what you've done with it". Over the past 20+ years or so I've had to update it to; "Show me the data, all of it, tell me where it came from, how it was gathered, how you acquired it & finally . . . show me what you've done with it. Even after all that, I'm still left wondering how I've been conned.
Let me tell you a little bedtime story. Back in the mid '90s the government decided to push through with privatisation of the scientific civil service. Directors/CEOs of all establishments were called to a series of meetings at the Cabinet Offices and several suited twats tried to sell us on the idea. Over a plate of ham sandwiches I chatted with the Director-General of the Met Office plus the CEO of the Building Research Establishment and others. We were in a grumpy mood but the DG of the MO took a bite, smiled and said, "but it's very simple; we are going to give the customer exactly what they want!" We looked at each other in grim silence knowing that his world class establishment was going to sell out to what we were calling 'cheque book science'. And it did just that. My establishment did the same, and so I resigned in 1999.
How does it threaten insects since they prefer it warm & sunny? Bees and butterflies were scooting round the hayfield etc and the house was like the M5, flies alas, now it's gone cool they've disappeared
Thought of you immediately I heard this! But I just read in Saturday's i newspaper 'Antarctic sea ice at record low level'. Sigh.
I've got two links to that nonsense and will be penning a piece in response either tonight or tomorrow first thing - watch this space!
You might enjoy this presentation - https://youtu.be/3BJKY1fiSdc. It talks about sub sea geothermal effects and volcanoes.
I found it a very interesting adjunct to the JDs analyses of Antartic temperature records.
Great timing - I'm in the middle of an article that brings together six anomaly series in an attempt to model sea ice extent, the upshot being that we need to look for alternative sources of heat... and here they are!
I sometimes watch the Saturday summary on weatherbell, Joe Bastardi, US focused but this week he's pointing out Asia, India, Greenland having record cold June ,Arctic cold too. And the geothermal activity correlates with ocean temps
1976? I remember it well. the highlight was that EVERYBODY STOPPED TALKING ABOUT THE WEATHER!!!
Until September when the heavens opened and we could all start complaining about it again.
Oh, and Poisson assumptions sound very fishy to me :-D
Now that brought a chuckle!
Thanks Mr Dee - most timely!
In addition to UHI, inapproproately placed weather stations etc, we also have the issue of time constants when it comes to Tmax. Modern digitial recording stations have far shorter time constants than the old min/max mercury thermometers, so will give higher Tmax readings..so we're probably not even comparing eggs with eggs.
Fabulous point!
I read an paper on this ...but now I can't find the reference - will post if I can find it.
Yer tiz.
1) https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/04/23/australia-wide-assessment-climate-change-or-instrument-change/
2) I also think this is rather curious - Hadset v2 - Hadset v1
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/07/02/tampering-with-cet/
Wonderful stuff - many thanks.
Should have realised you'd be on the case 👍 just read the netweather write up about comfortably surpassing 1976 ( fortunately no tv so not seen the beeb drivel) and thought I'd check if they need fire extinguishers for their pants. I remember everyone baling hay the day after cutting as it was drying so fast in the heat - usually takes about 5 days- and my farrier has a photo of himself on a motorbike in the brook on his farm, which had dried up. None of that this year and the brooks on our farm are no lower than usual. A friend was grumbling about having to light a fire on 8th or 9th and I've been back in a jummy for last few days. Sure not exceptional. Sorry to go off on one.
Comfortably surpassing my arse! The error associated with temperature measurement is substantial because weather stations were established for observing local weather rather than partake in a national, carefully controlled experiment designed to accurately and reliably monitor climate change.
A lot depends on when the records started - ie in Aust there were many extreme droughts earlier in the 1800s so potentially the data starts on a low point so provides an increase in max temps - can be completely false - plus the siting changes to the weather station and urban heat effects etc etc
We might summarise it by stating the Stevenson screen situation sucks! People act as if this junk data was gold standard, laboratory quality observation.
Whenever I am told about MSM headlines like this (usually by believers/numpties), I think of this and many similar examples https://tinyurl.com/yxx2jfvf .
I know you've looked at lots of data sources & their questionable reliability but, years ago, I often had the opportunity to observe fast jets at close quarters. That person from the Met Office who claimed the Coningsby data to have been rigorously checked has obviously never stood next to an active runway whilst 3 jet fighters taxied by, let alone land or take off in close formation.
They should have called it a Typhoon, not a record temperature.
My motto during working life used to be; "Show me the data (all of it) & show me what you've done with it". Over the past 20+ years or so I've had to update it to; "Show me the data, all of it, tell me where it came from, how it was gathered, how you acquired it & finally . . . show me what you've done with it. Even after all that, I'm still left wondering how I've been conned.
Thank you for all that you do.
Let me tell you a little bedtime story. Back in the mid '90s the government decided to push through with privatisation of the scientific civil service. Directors/CEOs of all establishments were called to a series of meetings at the Cabinet Offices and several suited twats tried to sell us on the idea. Over a plate of ham sandwiches I chatted with the Director-General of the Met Office plus the CEO of the Building Research Establishment and others. We were in a grumpy mood but the DG of the MO took a bite, smiled and said, "but it's very simple; we are going to give the customer exactly what they want!" We looked at each other in grim silence knowing that his world class establishment was going to sell out to what we were calling 'cheque book science'. And it did just that. My establishment did the same, and so I resigned in 1999.
How does it threaten insects since they prefer it warm & sunny? Bees and butterflies were scooting round the hayfield etc and the house was like the M5, flies alas, now it's gone cool they've disappeared
A good point Liz. I have run out of face to palm.