Love it! Laughing at the crass stupidity of highly politicised science is powerful medicine. As regards CETR I've not delved into the processing of this but I did read the original paper and appreciated the fiddling. The fact is weather stations and their gubbins were never designed to form part of a well-specified and rather rigorous global field experiment but that's the assumption that is being made by those with vested interests.
Isn't it just? I'm guessing he's hypnotised by the numbers and doesn't appreciate their origin and meaning. Happer is a hero of mine and I shall enjoy this lecture!
- Love the Jan 20 slide showing the lat./long. positions of stations. It may be compelling to show that side by side with the positions of the hypothetical stations to which the data are 'reanalyzed' (i.e. 'this is what they make up' vs. 'this is what they start with').
- A real old school origin a la physics would be to recast units to Kelvin with absolute zero Kelvins at the origin (subtract something like 273.15).
- I may have misread the steps performed, but a question is: to rejig the HadCRUT 5 Anomaly into temperature, ought one add the climate normal global mean for 1961-1990 rather than the 14degC for 1951-1980 to properly reconstitute the temperature series? (and having that temperature series in hand, one may then subtract the 1961-1980 to produce the alternate anomaly series). I think both approach result in the same new anomaly series due to the commutative nature of addition and subtraction, but the intermediate temperature series would differ according to the differences between the two climate normals.
- giraffes eating cherries: haha! but let's not assume they eat them, perhaps they pick them on behalf of their earth-bound jungle skunk friends
Yes, I ought to prepare a lethal slide that delivers the blow in 2 seconds! A slide with 0K would be wonderfully cheeky and I might just do that for a laugh. Being lazy I didn't explain exactly what I did and this was to re-normalise the 1961-1990 HadCRUT5 anomalies to 1951-1980 in order to add in NASA's absolute estimate. This fiddling made little difference but I do like things nice and tidy!
What about the infamous winter of 1947? Before even my time (just), but my mother used to say they could open the bedroom windows, step out and walk on the hard packed snow about 9 ft above the road. If you wanted to get out the front door you would have to dig a tunnel.
There was the big freeze in the early 1980s too (forget exactly which year, 83?) Not all that much snow but so cold that there was a farmer on the news who said he slept in the barn because it was warmer next to the cows, and a butcher who said his deep freeze was warmer than his shop!
Well there you go! All depends on how they go about estimating this since it is ultimately a pointless exercise, with folk assuming a global mean actually means something.
Sorry, in a silly mood today. Hope the first part of that old rhyme doesn't trigger the politically correct squad. The second part is truly not nice and no way would I say it now. At the time it was just a meaningless ditty to us kids.
I know what you mean as we have some fields on the farm that are colder than others. As in you can feel it and zip your coat higher, rather than measure some fraction of a degree on a thermometer
this is great - lots of playing with that data now as well :) will be even more interesting when they add September - any idea how long that typically takes?
Wonderful! HADCRUT5 figures run to August at present and I'm expecting September data to be released toward the end of October. What holds thing up are sea surface temperatures, especially from the Southern Hemisphere.
"the loudest sound in the jungle is giraffes eating cherries" - brilliant!!
Almost had me snorting my coffee out of my nose...
Speaking of cherry-picking (and further massaging the data), have you seen this tweak to the CET data in 2022? They claim it is 'within the margin of error', but clearly if you lean on temps in the medium past and raise them in near past you can a non-marginal systematic bias: https://community.netweather.tv/topic/97122-updated-cet-data-base-v20-posted-9-may-2022-an-ongoing-analysis-of-changes-made-to-what-they-now-call-the-legacy-data-base/page/4/
Love it! Laughing at the crass stupidity of highly politicised science is powerful medicine. As regards CETR I've not delved into the processing of this but I did read the original paper and appreciated the fiddling. The fact is weather stations and their gubbins were never designed to form part of a well-specified and rather rigorous global field experiment but that's the assumption that is being made by those with vested interests.
Boy that’s a cheap trick by Cox, who should know better.
I enjoyed this recent lecture by Prof William Happer
https://youtu.be/v2nhssPW77I?si=L7-q8JYZwLRFfIZM
Isn't it just? I'm guessing he's hypnotised by the numbers and doesn't appreciate their origin and meaning. Happer is a hero of mine and I shall enjoy this lecture!
Thanks for the link, have just watched it
Good article thanks.
- Love the Jan 20 slide showing the lat./long. positions of stations. It may be compelling to show that side by side with the positions of the hypothetical stations to which the data are 'reanalyzed' (i.e. 'this is what they make up' vs. 'this is what they start with').
- A real old school origin a la physics would be to recast units to Kelvin with absolute zero Kelvins at the origin (subtract something like 273.15).
- I may have misread the steps performed, but a question is: to rejig the HadCRUT 5 Anomaly into temperature, ought one add the climate normal global mean for 1961-1990 rather than the 14degC for 1951-1980 to properly reconstitute the temperature series? (and having that temperature series in hand, one may then subtract the 1961-1980 to produce the alternate anomaly series). I think both approach result in the same new anomaly series due to the commutative nature of addition and subtraction, but the intermediate temperature series would differ according to the differences between the two climate normals.
- giraffes eating cherries: haha! but let's not assume they eat them, perhaps they pick them on behalf of their earth-bound jungle skunk friends
- enjoy the fiddle fest :-)
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Yes, I ought to prepare a lethal slide that delivers the blow in 2 seconds! A slide with 0K would be wonderfully cheeky and I might just do that for a laugh. Being lazy I didn't explain exactly what I did and this was to re-normalise the 1961-1990 HadCRUT5 anomalies to 1951-1980 in order to add in NASA's absolute estimate. This fiddling made little difference but I do like things nice and tidy!
What about the infamous winter of 1947? Before even my time (just), but my mother used to say they could open the bedroom windows, step out and walk on the hard packed snow about 9 ft above the road. If you wanted to get out the front door you would have to dig a tunnel.
Now that was a corker. I vividly recall the winter of 1963 since the snow was well over my head!
There was the big freeze in the early 1980s too (forget exactly which year, 83?) Not all that much snow but so cold that there was a farmer on the news who said he slept in the barn because it was warmer next to the cows, and a butcher who said his deep freeze was warmer than his shop!
1982 'twere. Here's a lovely potted history of winter weather. You might want to make some cocoa first!
https://www.netweather.tv/weather-forecasts/uk/winter/winter-history
According to this the mean global temperature is still almost exactly 14°. "Temperature.Global" https://temperature.global
Well there you go! All depends on how they go about estimating this since it is ultimately a pointless exercise, with folk assuming a global mean actually means something.
Eenie, Meany Minie Mo?
Sorry, in a silly mood today. Hope the first part of that old rhyme doesn't trigger the politically correct squad. The second part is truly not nice and no way would I say it now. At the time it was just a meaningless ditty to us kids.
I know what you mean as we have some fields on the farm that are colder than others. As in you can feel it and zip your coat higher, rather than measure some fraction of a degree on a thermometer
this is great - lots of playing with that data now as well :) will be even more interesting when they add September - any idea how long that typically takes?
Wonderful! HADCRUT5 figures run to August at present and I'm expecting September data to be released toward the end of October. What holds thing up are sea surface temperatures, especially from the Southern Hemisphere.
Anomaly, Anomaly, wherefore art thou Anomaly?
Anomaly: "Wherever and however you want me to be"
That shimmering light circle thingy from primeval that dinosaurs kept sneaking through keeps popping into my head